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Discussion Starter · #1 · Mar 10, 2018
Long ignition starts, sometimes cycles 1-2 times before it starts. It starts much faster a better when cold or if you turn it off and try right away there is no wait. We found that the issue may be crankshaft sensor, however can’t figure out where it’s located. Used YouTube videos yet only has up to 4th Generation and the camshaft sensor is located where
they say the crankshaft sensor is supposed to be. Attempted looking in a Factory Service Manual for Nissan only available on CD-Rom for almost $500...not that interested. Just wondering if anyone knows where the Crankshaft Position Sensor is located??
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Oct 22, 2019 I have a 2013 Altima S with CVT, and what I believe is a QR25DE engine based on what I've found. I have posted in the Altima thread - "2013 will crank but not start when hot." Thanks 2006 Pathfinder LE, 2003 Frontier SVE Joined
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The 2013 Altima with the 4-cyl. engine has a QR25DE; the V6 engine is the VQ35DE. The QR25DE has one crank position sensor, located on the back side of the engine block, towards the transmission side. While older QR25DE engines had a single cam position sensor, later models (starting around 2012 or 2013, I believe) have two cam position sensors, sorta
side by side, at the right side end of the valve cover if you are looking at the engine from the front of the vehicle. I would recommend replacing the crank position sensor as well as the cam sensors. Personally, my choice other than the more expensive, genuine Nissan parts, would be NTK sensors from Rockauto. NTK makes the OE oxygen sensors for Nissan and is the same company that makes NGK spark plugs. You would need two of NGK EC0006, about $50 ea., and one of NTK EH0010, about $47. If money
is tight, Beck~Arnley is not a bad choice, as they usually use OE parts, such as Denso.
However, it seems that whenever I look for info in this engine, the references are for older Nissan early 2000’s, not for a 2013. And when I do find references to a QR25DE, the diagrams are for a different looking engine, including that they show
only 1 cam sensors on the R side of the block, vs mine has 2 on top on the R. This includes the Nissan parts site.
I determined that it's a QR25DE from looki g for parts, when I drill down to engine size, there are oy 2 - the 2.5 and 3.5 (6 cyl). So my only choice is the 2.5 which points to a QR25DE.
Am I looking for the wrong engine?
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Discussion Starter · #3 · Oct 25, 2019
Well thank you 'smj999smj'. Where can I get more info on the crank sensor location and replacement process? I can't seem to find anything on line for this specific newer QR25DE with the 2 cam sensors. Thank you!
This is what I wanted to know and clarify about this engine. Mine is the newer QR25DE and I already replaced the 2 cam sensors. Also replaced the fuel injectors - which was Nissan dealer's "for sure" solution - but it was not. I'll be happy to replace the crank sensor too if this is a possible culprit.
Whats
your take on the symptom - won't start again after running for a while and turning off, but will continue runnig if you don't turn it off. Always starts fine when cooled down and there are not other symptoms - runs great otherwise.
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Are there really two cam sensors? What is the difference between this engine and that in a Rogue? I only see the one cam sensor on top.
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Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 25, 2019
Are there really two cam sensors? What is the difference between this engine and that in a Rogue? I only see the one cam sensor on top. Thats what I was seing in most of the information out there. But as explained above by 'smj999smj', the newer QR25DE engine has 2 cam sensors on top to the R of
the valve cover. And also a crank sensor somewhere ....
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Just pointing out that I have looked at the part diagram now on two different models with the same engine as yours and nowhere do I see they two camshaft sensors. Anyway, I think you missed
the point that was made about the crankshaft sensor. Its that one that is more likely to be causing your issues and not showing a code. It is at the back of the engine lower left. For some reason the part diagram pages I have linked to have not displayed, but if you go to Partsouq.com
From Wikipedia ''
The revised QR25DE found in the 2007+ Sentra, Altima, Rogue, etc. has a number of improvements over the older QR25DE. These include:
you will find the part diagrams for yours, and it only shows one camshaft sensor, and the location of the crankshaft sensor as well as the relevant part numbers.
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Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 25, 2019
I got the the point about the crankshaft sensor, and I will replace that, already ordered it.
and I agree with what you're saying about the diagrams, I don't find any that have the two on the top - but they are definitely there and I already replaced those last week.
I don't get why the correct diagrams cannot be found.
Thanks
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Is there something super special about yours? I agree it's confusing when the part diagrams for your car don't reflect the actual parts in it. Maybe you could find the factory service manual for yours at Nicoforums, and it would make it easier for you to find info about your car. Good luck.
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Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 25, 2019
Nothing special, just want to make sure that what Im looking for, the crankshaft sensor, is in the same place.
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Discussion Starter · #11 · Oct 25, 2019
Just pointing out that I have looked at the part diagram now on two different models with the same engine as yours and nowhere do I see they two camshaft sensors. Anyway, I think you missed
the point that was made about the crankshaft sensor. Its that one that is more likely to be causing your issues and not showing a code. It is at the back of the engine lower left. For some reason the part diagram pages I have linked to have not displayed, but if you go to Partsouq.com Finally! One of
the other responses pointed me to NICOM where I found the factory svc manual. This one matches my 2013 >> QR25DE with to cam sensors In this diagram you can see both sensors labeled 1 & 2. Diag A shows them better when you zoom in
From Wikipedia ''
The revised QR25DE found in the 2007+ Sentra, Altima, Rogue, etc. has a number of improvements over the older QR25DE. These include:
you will find the part diagrams for yours, and it only shows one camshaft sensor, and the location of the crankshaft sensor as well as the relevant part numbers.
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Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 25, 2019
I just though I'd clarify somethgn here. Technically one is a "cam position sensor" (#2) and an "exhaust valve toming control position sensor" (#1). They are both cams and each has a sensor - so two of them and they are the same parts.